tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post8434969426602090048..comments2024-03-27T05:25:04.829-04:00Comments on Hallowed Secularism: Steve Waldman Doesn't Get the CrossBruce Ledewitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10419873523392584062noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-11120498616786302392011-01-02T09:42:56.251-05:002011-01-02T09:42:56.251-05:00Nice site, nice and easy on the eyes and great con...Nice site, nice and easy on the eyes and great content too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-84316885231918307462010-12-07T12:27:02.780-05:002010-12-07T12:27:02.780-05:00Do you people have a facebook fan page? I looked f...Do you people have a facebook fan page? I looked for one on twitter but could not discover one, I would really like to become a fan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-71926329943130736192010-11-21T02:17:47.925-05:002010-11-21T02:17:47.925-05:00Beneficial info and excellent design you got here!...Beneficial info and excellent design you got here! I want to thank you for sharing your ideas and putting the time into the stuff you publish! Great work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-19000763701521212012009-10-14T22:42:32.330-04:002009-10-14T22:42:32.330-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eternal Dodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10186180914134872097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-81847471296323368612009-10-14T21:41:21.499-04:002009-10-14T21:41:21.499-04:00"The claim by some Christians that to allow t..."The claim by some Christians that to allow the cross to be seen as a secular symbol is a unacceptable failure has come too late in the game."<br /><br />So you admit that at some point in the past this would have been a violation of Church and State?Recallhttp://www.streetprophets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-79447946060666922702009-10-14T15:54:23.150-04:002009-10-14T15:54:23.150-04:00I think there is a significant difference between ...I think there is a significant difference between claiming the right to dictate <i>what</i> a symbol means, and claiming that a symbol can have multiple meanings. In this case, the cross clearly has religious meaning. The question is whether or not that meaning has evolved to include secular meanings as well. <br /><br />Clearly, symbols evolve. And in a culture that is inundated with Christian symbolism used in specifically non-religious ways, it is no question as to whether the cross has multiple meanings. Crosses function for Christians as a reminder of Jesus; for others, they are merely ornamentation, jewelry, and fashion. And, I think the point here is that another potential meaning for crosses, which has developed through the close association of crosses with war-time casualties, is that crosses can mean "military sacrifice." <br /><br />Bruce is not dictating what crosses mean. He is merely suggesting that they can (and do) have more than one meaning--one specifically religious, and one non-religious. The claim by some Christians that to allow the cross to be seen as a secular symbol is a unacceptable failure has come too late in the game. The cross has already been used as a secular symbol for decades. It is a cultural, aesthetic, and secular symbol in America, as well as a specifically religious one. There is just no clear legislature yet specifically validating this usage. <br /><br />Regardless of what new legislature may suggest, the cross will mean various things to various groups. No one group dictates for the others what it may mean. It is simply that Christians want the sole right to define what the cross means (despite the fact that they took the cross from Rome and redefined its meaning in the first place).Eternal Dodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10186180914134872097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3222418233330841391.post-65273533615262098842009-10-14T15:13:11.286-04:002009-10-14T15:13:11.286-04:00I'm curious as to how you got the authority to...I'm curious as to how you got the authority to tell religious people what their symbols mean.Recallhttp://www.streetprophets.comnoreply@blogger.com